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the great silver got this message for you! this is very important. specially here in Da where all people wants you to work for free . with promises of profits in the future. what you say, Fuck them.!

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:iconwolfhunner:
WolfHunner Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist
Ah yes! Another fellow Stephen Silver believer!
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Knowleech Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
I am not an artist. I am a Software Developer (not games). But I completely agree with this! "If you're good at something, never do it for free."
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DTJB Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
WORK for free? I'm trying to get work in the first place.
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Grifther Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013   Artist
Oh my... hot water!
Sorry for the cinisme, but that's really something that any creative have to know (but unfortunatally, didn't apply) from the beginning. It's doesn't matter if you do something for fun. If someone want to gain money from it, it's worth you a part of that money since the start, because you had done the job before hand.
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SqueekyTheBalletRat Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Someone needs to tell this to some of the sillies falling for this add (prolly many, but this one in particular I know is a scam) floating around on the forums. There are so many young and wonderful artists falling for this "exposure" gig... It makes me sad.
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Boyann Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I concur.
My eternal fault used to be willingness to draw or write for free - to do a favour or 'get the exposure' or whatever.
The only outcome was, people assumed me as the bloke who does stuff for free.
Never again.
'Nuff said.
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Sirius-Sam Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist
To quote the Joker in The Dark Knight:
"If you're good at something, never do it for free." :lightbulb:
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dystar Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is hard to make that first authoritative step between amateur and professional artist. That line in the sand when you decide from this moment on, I'm getting paid for my work!
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EnzuDes1gn Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
straight to my faves :+fav: :D
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Amairim Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
/cheer

yeah i cant imagine the amount of people who ask you, I even get a few and im at the bottom x.x
like,
"hey can you draw my character drufgu and sduigud and so and sos dfigdus characters doing this and this. Thanks :D

NO! ahhh /die.
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PaulHartig Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"It's gonna take you 10 minutes to do that, scribble that up, pretty please..."

"NO, It's taken me 40 years and now it's gonna be 10 minutes work."


That was the most striking message for me. Thank God Stephen recorded this message. Finally someone who's willing to say it out loud and in a very angry voice. Simply Thank You, Stephen!
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Bomb-a-Jead Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Here is a funny chart about that [link]
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QDLA Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Even as a "serial" commissionner, I really can't stand the people who try to get free art over artists :( It's like you go at a blacksmith shop and say "Ok I would like a pretty jewel ring, can you make one for free to me ?"
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leomon32 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I do work for free in a lot of situation, but I do that only because I have a job. I don't like people who charge you 50$ for a draft that they even don't modify when you complain about it (really that happened to me, the autor didn't answered the fact that he did a mistake). Some people need to be more humble but yeah I agree with you anyway.
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Xpand-Your-Mind Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for posting this, gives us all the right mind-set as artisits
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GemstoneStudios Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student Filmographer
I understand and agree to much of what the video said, but since I am a student and if a close friend or fellow student wants me to help them on a film or something, I say sure for the most part. This company that is my current client pays me for making commercials for them, but that is because they are a business. I do what I love not for the money, because I love making movies. Yes, i have to set a payment depending on who my client is, but I love what I do.

Yes, if you want to use someone else's image(s) and you are getting paid for that final product then yes you should pay the person who you borrowed art from.
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skuad Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, why not...
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darquewanderer Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
At the end Mr Silver said "this is my rant and I've got to get it out".
He did and quite well. Truer words of advise don't exist.
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Peccatum Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
ty so much!
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setokaiba200x Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
I saw his latest video on enter contests. I always had that feeling in the back of my head about them owning your entries. And I was thinking about entering this Wolverine contest but now I may not even bother.
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Toshihirohei Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
True man, so true :D
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OmegaClarens Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Totalmente de acuerdo.
Como dice el Joker... "si algo se te da bien, no lo hagas gratis".
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RyanRabbit Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
The reason why I'm considering on working for free is because of the quality of my art. I wouldn't throw a penny at it.
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Brendanofthecult Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
same XD
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Myselfsama Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thanks for this.
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Mangamad Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He has a point. :nod:
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NataneEklund Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Artist
I find it extremely insulting when someone asks me or any other artist to do something for free. I always ask them "do you go to work for free? No? ya neither do I"
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Dawn2069MS Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
"The day you start freelancing is the day you realise that many people hire you under the assumption that you work for free, hence you call yourself a FREElancer." -Stephanella Walsh
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riverine69 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
As a dA member who is not an artist, and appreciates good artwork, I feel it's my duty to offer anyone I commission a fair payment for service rendered. One sweet lady here on dA actually did a wonderful piece of work I mentioned to her, I didn't actually ask her to do it, and it came out wonderful. She wouldn't take payment, so I did the next best thing, I got her a premium dA membership for one year. It was the least I could do.

Those of you who request an artist to do something for free, consider this. If you were working in a widget factory, and your boss came to you and said, "I want you to build my widgets because I like you but I can't pay you" I'm sorry, but I would put on my hat and coat and head for the door. Your time, labor and effort are worth a fair wage. You are performing a service.

Like the man said, the plumber don't work for free. He gets paid for his experience. We had a home in neaqrby Elmira NY blow up recently because two unqualified, do-it-yourself idiots tried hook up a gas water heater without turning off the gas first. It's not just your home you might blow up, but the fire could spread to other homes.
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obsidianzero Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oddly, the work I've been the happiest with has been for smaller (even single employee) companies.. and the pricetag was cheap. Te biggest company I've done stuff for.. a lot of the work was making GUI icons, and they paid very well. The biggest project I did for them was a 9 foot wide banner at full res that almost caused the machine I had at the time to call a shrink... I thought I WAY over-quoted it at 3k. They paid happily. I later found out from one of the employees that they thought I was still undercharging. And on top of that, they never ended up using it. So now they have a $3k closet liner.
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obsidianzero Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
More on-topic, yeah, I've taken the freebie jobs in the past. "You can put your name on it for exposure!"... yeep. The worst was one I did 1000000000% to spec.. and it was hideous. She loved it, and I left my name off. She asked why. I didn't answer. That was maybe the straw that broke the freebie camel's back.
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RogueWriter3201 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Think one thing needs to be made clear here: Giving away art to corporations or advertising groups for free? Hell no. But, sharing your art (i.e. small pieces) with fans that have followed your art for many years? Never a bad thing. I think that's getting lost in translation in his complaint. It sounds like he's saying *everyone* should pay you regardless of the circumstances and that *nothing* should be posted online for free.
:no:
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beachbead Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I used to do stuff for free half the time I wouldn't even get a thank you so I stopped.
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Brendanofthecult Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now THAT is fucked up, not even a thank you? if I got free work from anyone on here, I would worship the ground they walked on XD
some fuckin' people....
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cromson Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
hell yeah .. i agree with u reiq bro ... in instagram .. some people have added me in kik messenger and only GOD knows where they live asking for such things .. i remember a lady wanted me to draw her mom's dog for her mom's birthday for FREE ,, and the thing is ... she is begging and nagging for it ...

these people have no dignity ?? ... hello .. artists are people too and they have families and they must put food on their tables ,,, sot FUCK THEM and AMEN to Reiq's speech
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Odinservant1 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I concur.
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scificat Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
While I would not tell people to fuck off, I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of being remunerated for the work done. It is only fair. I've gotten raw deals in the past because of the same arguments of "exposure" which is bullshit, only got taken advantage off, never more.

Love the part where he mentions "You can whip up that in 10 minutes - No it took me 40 YEARS and 10 minutes!"
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Kuroy-kun Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Maybe he's crazy but he's right :) [link]
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alzang676 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I haven't seen this video, but i've seen this pop up on DA about charging people for art or something.
I feel you really should only charge for art if people will buy it or if you are really THAT good.
Me, I don't think I can charge for art, not at least for another few years. My art is completely terrible right now, I want to get way better and the only way to do that is spending time practicing.

Only problem with that is, I feel like even though i'm spending time doing that, i'm not improving fast enough or at least not equivalent to the time put in. I know getting good at art takes time, but I don't want to feel like I'm practicing for a whole year and only getting 1% better. I really only started drawing again so that I could do requests on drawthreads for 4chan, mostly for if it was a good idea or I can't thing of one and to have that person be happy with what I drew.

TL;DR
I think the price of art should be the same as the amount of time put into it, at least on DA. Although notwithstanding, someone who is a professional and can put out high quality stuff in a short amount of time, you should be getting enough work as it is from companies and stuff =P
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Aegypius-X Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
I keep seeing "I'm not good enough, I'm just an amateur" as an excuse. If you're good enough that they want your work at all, you're good enough to be asking a few bucks for it.
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Brendanofthecult Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
indeed...I'll have to remember that the next time I use that as an excuse for myself
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Jaegar19Ultima Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
I do agree with Silver's video, as an on again off again artist who's now trying to take my craft more seriously for improvements I can see that many artists are being goaded into spending time and effort for next to nothing. I do stuff for myself for the time being because I'm not at the level nor truely starting and building from that since I have yet to release more works, which I want to and I realize that I need to continue to draw to improve.

If I started getting requests and more favs or askings to do pictures then that would tell me that people are interested enough that I can say I will do what you want for a price because then I will have more of an incentive to continue on. I work at a job that supports me and keeps me afloat but art has been a childhood dream for years that I've had ups and downs with. In some regards deviantart is like the youtube of artsites and it has a diverse community. All in all I support artists right to work for pay because it is worth it, I comission artist who I admire there work because I know they put their best in it.
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tomorgel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Or, to cite a classic:

[link]

Even if Harlan Ellison an author and screenwriter, it's still the exact same song.
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tomorgel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
As I said:

[link]

8)
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A-Very-Merry-Q Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Can't say I disagree. It's simple business logic. But at the same time, it eliminates the concept of trust. Simply telling someone to fuck off without even seeing what they have to offer is just bullshit and running on ego. Artists always have the power - the worst thing they can do is rub that in someone's face before telling them to fuck off. Every now and then, you'll get that glimmer of hope - that good-hearted soul who'll actually listen to what someone has to offer before they start demanding payment and "benefits." Here's one such example of a collaboration without demanding money, flipping people off or feeding egos yet working out in the end because all involved parties actually upheld their end: [link]

If someone is looking to buy something, feel free to tell them to fuck off if they don't have the coin. If someone is looking to collaborate, I can only hope they're smart to enough to reply "Kickstarter, bitch." if someone gives them a "Fuck off, freeloader." ;)
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reiq Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Filmographer
saying fuck off at first glance is stupid, you see the offer then you review websites and quality of what they have so far.
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A-Very-Merry-Q Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
That's something I can definitely stand behind. It's just I've seen a fair share of people who are only interested in feeding their egos. In the end lol, I got all manipulative and cynical about it. Apologies if my earlier post seemed like a rant - it really wasn't.
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rockmalcolm Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
Hell yeah and thanks for sharing!
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JamesmanTheRegenold Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hell YES!!
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pyrogina Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
while i agree with silver's message, i have the misfortune of almost never being commissioned, but, i STILL want to draw. sometimes i can't think of my own stuff to draw, then i elect to draw other peoples things (usually friends) and i don't expect anything in return. i'm still happy that i'm drawing something for free, than nothing at all....

then again, sometimes i do feel like a chump....
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